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UPDATED: In light of the new Terms of Service over on LJ, I think I have to amend my basic recommendation here to 'abandon ship as soon as possible.' I personally have deleted my LiveJournal. But a lot of this is still relevant to how to set yourself up over here.

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Hello old friends and new. If you’ve not heard, LiveJournal is now being hosted on Russian servers, leading to many a declaration that this time, really, we are all moving to Dreamwidth. Really, really.

Pity Dreamwidth sucks.

As someone who made the move . . . *boggles* four years ago now, I am here to tell you that this does not have to be a misery. It also does not have to be an all-or-nothing thing, unless you want it to be. You, too, can move to Dreamwidth and like it.

I’m not going to tell you why you should move to Dreamwidth. If you’re still using LiveJournal, your reasons are probably well-established. But if recent events are making you think that you need to suck it up and move anyway, read on.

Look, I’ll be honest, I’m a bit of a technological drifter by nature. I jump hardware and software platforms all the time. Because I’m bored. Because I want a new challenge. Because I like the way my thoughts feel in a new box. It’s an adventure for me. I don’t expect everybody to feel the same way about things, but I will tell you if you can take on even a bit of this mindset, moving will be a lot more enjoyable.

Change! Adventure! A fresh start! A chance to rethink how you do things and why.

Go on, paint your room a new color! Maybe you’ll like it *eyebrow wiggle*




STAGE ONE: Decide you’re going to actually do it, and commit. I will tell you a secret: whether or not you successfully move to Dreamwidth is entirely in your hands. You can’t control what anybody else will do. Other people may follow you, or they may not. Whether they do or don’t, you can still be friends. You will, however, exponentially increase your chances of anybody following you if you actually make the move. Waiting for everybody else to do it properly with you is a surefire way for everybody to end up back on LiveJournal.

I read this advice on some long-forgotten Dreamwidther’s journal lo those many years ago when I was thinking about moving, and they were absolutely right. Choose to do it, and it will happen.



STAGE TWO: Choose your strategy. I would not personally recommend going cold turkey, deleting your LiveJournal, and trying not to look back. If you feel that is what you need to do, go ahead, but I suspect you would be making things hard for yourself for very little practical benefit. As others have noted, the damage is basically done: the Russians have your data already (and have for a long time), and ‘deleting’ it will not fix that. If you want to get your journal down from public view or you want to cut off your ‘escape route’ so you can’t go back, that’s fine, but realize that that’s all you’re doing. The important thing is to decide how much money/data/legitimacy you want to give LiveJournal going forward.

What I did, and I think what most people who successfully and happily move to Dreamwidth do, is migrate in stages. You can take these as slow or as quickly as you want to but, crucially, if you actually, really, truly want to make Dreamwidth your primary journaling platform, you need to take active steps to treat it as such. Just setting up cross-posting and then waiting for Dreamwidth to become interesting will not work. If you want this to be your home, put out your knickknacks, leave your shoes in the hallway, spill wine on the couch, and invite your friends over.



STAGE THREE: The practical stuff that you’ve heard about a million times and may have already done: make your account, set up cross-posting, friend all your friends, and import your LJ (some details on the nitty-gritty of this here.)

Dreamwidth has a brief rundown on some important practical differences between DW and LJ here.

[personal profile] aphelant made a more in-depth comparison of the two sites, with numerous useful links, back during Subject-Line-gate five years ago. Some of it is therefore out of date, but overall I think it's a good primer for people who want to start using DW seriously.

Something that doesn’t get mentioned as much, but I highly recommend is to claim your open ID comments. When you do this, any comments imported from LJ on your or anyone else’s DW will appear as coming from your DW account.

If you need a ‘no going back’ step that’s less drastic than purging your whole LJ (and if you want to keep DW afloat) is to consider getting yourself a paid account. It’s the ‘I bought a gym membership, so I’m going to use it, dammit!’ approach.



STAGE FOUR: Decorate. That Dreamwidth is ugly is a common complaint. Personally, I like the system pages better than LJ's, but I will admit that most of the layouts are pretty awful out of the box. Here’s the thing, though: Dreamwidth layouts are, on average, a lot more flexible than LJ ones. Almost all of them are designed to allow you to tinker with every damn aspect of their presentation without needing to do any coding yourself. Yes, getting something you like will probably take a bit of work, but if you can put aside wanting the site to be a perfect LJ clone, I’ll bet you can find something you will enjoy.

Custom themes are also an option. There are lots of good ones on [community profile] dreamwidthlayouts which you can install with honestly no knowledge of CSS. It is also, apparently, possible to import some of the LiveJournal themes onto DW, though I have no experience with this myself. I know you can get Flexible Squares over here. Here’s a quick Google search, for example.

About icons: Dreamwidth only allows additional icons for paid users, for reasons of system resources (apparently icons are a lot more resource-intensive than they seem). The good news is if you do have a paid account, you automatically get 100 icons and any additional icons you purchase are yours in perpetuity, for as long as you have a paid account (no annual charges).

Also about icons: if you give your icons on DW the same names as your LJ icons, cross-posting will automatically mirror which icon you use between the two sites (if you use an icon you don’t have on LJ to cross-post, your LJ post will show your default icon.)

If you can’t get used to all the red on Dreamwidth's system pages, maybe give purple a try? Or dark mode. Setting is here, at the bottom of the page.

If other people’s journals are hideous and you can’t read them, avail yourself of the handy ‘reload page in style mine/light/original’ links in the toolbar at the top of the page (available to both paid and unpaid users).

Beta post entries page: If you write your entries in html and never use the rich text editor, I highly recommend going here and enabling the beta test of the new create entries page. They call it 'beta,' but it's been around for years and I've never had a problem with it. It's very clean and pretty and you can customize the controls you see. Neat!

And last but by no means least, poke around in your browser's settings to find out what your default font size is set to. It may be making Dreamwidth look boxier than it needs to.



STAGE FIVE: Start privileging Dreamwidth over Livejournal. This is the crucial bit, and what separates the people who move to Dreamwidth from the people who visit and occasionally threaten to move but never do.

Read your Dreamwidth reading list before your LJ Flist. I made it my fist bookmark instead of my second. That simple.

Watch who reliably posts on both sites and who doesn’t. I recommend giving this some time--at least a month--because a lot of people are going to start and then give it up. If it seems like someone has truly made the move, make the move to reading and interacting with them on DW. Then, remove them from your default view on LJ (how to filter your friends list). No need to unfriend people on LJ, but you don’t want to have to read every person’s posts twice, and your reading list on Dreamwidth is now your primary portal, right?!? *nods*

Import things like newsletters over to your reading list using RSS. It sounds silly, but having [livejournal.com profile] who_daily on my DW made a big difference in making it feel like my main site. Anyone can make their own feeds here, no paid account required. Unfortunately not all LJ journals or comms make good RSS feeds. Feeds cannot import anything behind a friends lock, and anything under a cut is going to show up in full on your reading list, so sites with a lot of long posts or content you might not want to see are going to be out. Besides newsletters, icon journals make good candidates.

Your reading list is as full as you want it to be. Find some new content and people to follow on DW. This may mean adjusting your expectations a bit. (I have some suggestions here. The post is pretty old, so some links are out of date, but might give you jumping-off ideas.) Another thing to consider: moving to DW, especially during a time of mass-exodus, can be like the first day of college. Everybody is a bit nervous and looking for a friend. Even old-timers are usually genuinely happy to meet other people who are serious about using the site, just be nice and non-creepy. And Dreamwidth’s separation between the list of who you follow on your reading list and who you give access to your locked posts means that you can get to know new people without having to commit to sharing everything.

Deciding where to comment on cross-posted entries: This is a real ‘weigh your values’ kind of deal. If you’ve decided you can’t give LJ a single scrap of your data any more, your choice is obviously already made. If you’re feeling evangelical and really want to help push your flist over to DW, go ahead and always comment on people’s DW post instead of the LJ one, though expect to meet some pushback and a lot of inertia. Personally, I prefer to take my cues from the person whose journal I’m replying to: if they’ve gone DW-first (or have expressed a desire to), then I’ll comment on DW. If they’re treating DW like a backup only (or if all the good conversation is over on LJ), then I’ll comment there. I think this is the biggest thing you can do to avoid being the annoying Dreamwidth person and, as long as you follow it, you’re probably not losing any friends.



STAGE SIX: The deep cuts. You may never get to this stage, and that’s fine. You decide how far you want to go. In general order of severity:

Disabling comments on your LJ. This scares people, and I’ll admit it’s a bit of a step. I wouldn’t do it right away unless you have serious reasons for needing/wanting to get off LJ right now. You will in all likelihood lose a few people if you do this, though probably less than you think if you take your time about it and let people get used to you being over here first. Unfortunately it can be hard to move discussion over to your DW from LJ without cutting off the option to reply on LJ.

Stop reading your flist. Again, this requires some sacrifice, and I don’t think there’s any need to force it. But you may find at some point that your reading list is much more active and interesting than your flist and that it feels like the right thing to do. There are still ways to keep tabs on the people over on LJ. Making RSS feeds of friends who don’t cross-post is one option, though note the caveats above about the limitations of RSS. If you just have a few near and dear LJ-holdouts, I would suggest setting up LJ notifications so you get an email whenever they post.

Stop cross-posting. This will absolutely lose you people, and in the past I've never seen much reason to do it as cross-posting is such an easy thing to do for the people you've left behind. I'll admit I'm thinking about it, though. I don't much like the idea of giving LJ anything further from me.

Delete your LJ?!? I'll admit, it seems unnecessary to me, though I can see the cathartic allure in the present circumstances. Unfortunately the data’s already out there, and you can’t take it back now. In the meantime, you'd be losing everything you contributed on LJ. Yes, you can back up your journal, but you'd be trashing your posts and comments on other journals and comms. For me, that represents far more posting volume than the contents of my actual journal. YMMV.



EXTRA RESOURCES: I can't possibly cover all the things you might want to do with Dreamwidth, but there is a very passionate community of people on this site who are devoted to helping you do it, whatever it is. I had about a million different pages open that I was thinking of linking you all to, but to simplify things a bit, I'll just give you this, a massive post of DW resources of all kinds. If there's something specific you want badly enough, you can probably find your answers somewhere down the rabbit hole.



I hope this is helpful to anybody feeling a bit overwhelmed about things and not knowing what steps to take and how. Feel free to link this to anybody you think could use it.

Change can be fun, if you embrace it! Good luck!

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Date: 31 Dec 2016 04:31 pm (UTC)
beerbad: (Default)
From: [personal profile] beerbad
Thank you for this excellent post!!

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Date: 31 Dec 2016 04:48 pm (UTC)
owlboy: (Default)
From: [personal profile] owlboy
wow you updated

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Date: 1 Jan 2017 12:56 am (UTC)
owlboy: (Default)
From: [personal profile] owlboy
windows>mac

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Date: 31 Dec 2016 08:48 pm (UTC)
kaffy_r: Keep Calm and Carry on At Length poster (Carry On)
From: [personal profile] kaffy_r
This is an excellent roundup, and I thank you for it, since even though I migrated probably about the same time you did, I didn't think to add feeds.

You might know the answer to this question (or you may have already answered it.)

I was reminded that if Our Russian Lords and Masters do eventually decide to shut down LJ (I consider it a potentiality 1-3 years down the road), I won't have access to comments that were made over on LJ on posts that originated on Dreamwidth. I'm not sure that re-importing would be a good thing, because I'm not sure if that wouldn't simply wind up with me having multiple Dreamwidth copies of posts.

Would claiming an open ID, as you suggest be a way to ensure that, in the future at least, comments on my LJ will show up on the original Dreamwidth post?

Is it even possible that claiming the open ID could retroactively do that with earlier posts? Probably not, but it's worth asking about.

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Date: 1 Jan 2017 12:40 am (UTC)
owlboy: (Default)
From: [personal profile] owlboy
You can import comments I'm pretty sure.

I've also imported more than once and not had multiple copies of entries show up.

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Date: 1 Jan 2017 08:57 pm (UTC)
kaffy_r: (Big Barakomon grin)
From: [personal profile] kaffy_r
Yup - I just imported, and it worked just as you suggested it would. Thanks! I'll probably import every couple of weeks from now on, depending on how often I post and how actively my friends comment on my posts over at LJ.

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Date: 1 Jan 2017 11:39 pm (UTC)
kaffy_r: Keep Calm and Carry on At Length poster (Carry On)
From: [personal profile] kaffy_r
It took a little over an hour to import; I haven't checked back too far in my posts to confirm, but I'm pretty certain that all the LJ comments on my posts have been imported. Comments on the most recent posts have all been imported.

I honestly expected it to take a little longer than that, because Dreamwidth's system is dealing with so many new arrivals I got a news update that said DW had had thousands of new accounts in the last couple of days. Despite that, just an hour or so? I'd say that was a pretty impressive response time.

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Date: 7 Apr 2017 11:49 am (UTC)
st_aurafina: rainbow barcode with my DW number on it (Dreamwidth: Rainbow Barcode)
From: [personal profile] st_aurafina
This post is great, thank you! I've been over here for a while, but I'm pretty intimidated by letting go of LJ, and I think your stepwise method might work for me. It's a relief to not feel like I need to salt the earth right now, anyway.

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Date: 8 Apr 2017 08:41 am (UTC)
makamu: (Default)
From: [personal profile] makamu
Thanks for this great post! I have had an account for years, but never bothered much with getting into the more nitty-gritty stuff, so this is very helpful. Especially since I have also learnt now that you can set up RSS feeds for tumblr accounts...Thanks again

Yay

Date: 8 Apr 2017 10:42 pm (UTC)
rori: (Satan's Watching you Pee)
From: [personal profile] rori
Thank you for this post. It is very helpful. I will start taking a look at redecorating

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Date: 9 Apr 2017 06:43 pm (UTC)
bradygirl_12: (steve--diana (happy))
From: [personal profile] bradygirl_12
Thank you for this post! I do have reasons for staying on LJ but I am going to be more involved here on DW. I thought of stopping fic posting on either platform but decided I didn't want to put all my eggs in one basket at AO3. Having DW as a back-up for fic sounded like a good idea to me. :)

I hope more people come to Dreamwidth. Yeah, giving up my icons will be awful when that time comes (I have extra userpic packages right now on LJ) and even 100 is going to seem like a paring-down, and the backgrounds here at DW are really not as varied or as pretty as on LJ, but I feel I must prepare for what may happen. Much less stressful to already have the hard work done if something happens!

Sometimes it seems like life on the computer is a constant 'do-over'. :)

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Date: 14 Apr 2017 08:36 pm (UTC)
caffienekitty: Dean sitting slumped in a chair. "Will kill for coffee" (kill4coffee)
From: [personal profile] caffienekitty
Howdy, Wondering if you know of any way to download and re-import to DW the graphics in a scrapbook on LJ. I have a ridiculous number of screencaps for picspams and other graphics over there, and the imported entries here just link back to the LJ content which is not going to work for the future.

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Date: 14 Apr 2017 09:21 pm (UTC)
caffienekitty: (giggle)
From: [personal profile] caffienekitty
Thanks for replying so fast! I do need a hosting service and it was shortsighted of me to have it otherwise. I've been blithely floating along assuming that LJ would be generally ok, ha ha ha.

I've got nearly a gig of images to download and host, and then the recoding nightmare begins. I've got reaction post picspams for each episode of a couple entire seasons of Supernatural with 20-120 ish screencaps each, and Sherlock reaction picspams that take up 3 to 8 LJ posts due to character limits, and they have 300-900 screencaps each. (Not that many people ever read any of them! XD)

I'm thinking after I get the images downloaded and resettled I'll pick away at the recoding over a very long time, and if anyone comments on one of the posts or asks for something to be fixed it'll go to the top of the list.

This is frustrating. I wish there was a way to go back in time and figure out a way to club together some funds and have fandom or OTW just buy Livejournal. I'm sure even the non fandom journals would be a lot happier under fannish overlords than what LJ has now. :-/

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Date: 14 Apr 2017 11:19 pm (UTC)
caffienekitty: Dean sitting slumped in a chair. "Will kill for coffee" (kill4coffee)
From: [personal profile] caffienekitty
I know, it's genuinely painful. My older fandom bookmarks are going dead, and I can't even think about the Comment fic memes. It's like the Nothing is taking over LJ fandom spaces.

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Date: 14 Apr 2017 11:48 pm (UTC)
desdemonaspace: (Orange Kaylee by Eyesthatslay)
From: [personal profile] desdemonaspace
Hi! I've imported my LJ to DW, and now I'm waiting for DW to follow through on my "claim my OpenID comments," which is a really long wait? Or is it? Did I do something wrong?

Bet it's the huge volume of LJ users jumping ship.

Anyway, any insight is appreciated. Thanks.

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Date: 14 Apr 2017 11:58 pm (UTC)
desdemonaspace: by <lj user="Teragramm"> (Teragramm Tara)
From: [personal profile] desdemonaspace
It took a good hour to start, but I'm told it's started.

May I compliment you on your lovely layout? I especially like the banner up top.

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Date: 6 Apr 2025 03:58 am (UTC)
ace_does_words: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ace_does_words
currently trying to make the move from tumblr to dreamwidth in case it explodes and even though this was written years ago it really does help get the mindset needed solidified and help minimize the floundering around