Firefly? I'd say liked-not-loved. I enjoyed watching it, but it never really grabbed onto me in any deeper way. I'd say my favorite thing about it was the general world-building and atmosphere, which I found very rich. But then, I did at least like most of the characters on it, which is a bit of An Achievement where Whedon is concerned, and I had actual shippy feelings about doctor boy and Kylie (Kaylie? Something with a K. It's been awhile.), which . . . Whedon is pretty singular in the lack of shippy feelings it inspires in me in general (and when it comes to investment in shows, I am absolutely a shipper, usually), so that was a nice surprise.
I think I would have liked to see how it developed, because basically I've liked each subsequent thing Whedon has done more than the previous (Dollhouse > Dr. Horrible > Firefly > Angel > Buffy). So I could see Firefly growing into something that I was more passionate about, given a chance. But as it is they really didn't have any time to come up with something that I would love.
I don't know...I like all of it, I guess. The world-building, the clever dialogue and the humor, the characters, the themes. The characters most of all, probably.
There was something about Firefly that felt very . . . balanced? It had a nice fullness to it, although that also makes me feel like I don't need to engage with it further. And the mix of characters was good fun (And also, I think, considerably less composed of stereotypes than is typical for Whedon? I feel like he tends to start from very broad stereotypes--the perky blonde cheerleader, the awkward nerd boy, the corporate ice queen, etc,, etc.--and then develop them into three-dimensional characters from there. Firefly seems to do a better job of starting from somewhere more wholly original.)
I haven't watched much Whedon apart from Firefly and Dr. Horrible, so I'm not familiar with his characterization tendencies. The characters on Firefly felt very real to me in a way TV characters often don't.
I think I might see what you mean about the show seeming balanced--it always felt very complete to me, even with the plot threads that it left hanging. It would have been awesome to get more seasons, but I feel like it was very...tidy? Or unspoiled, somehow. Like, a lot of shows get messy or lose track of themselves if they go on too long, and I guess Firefly ended in a place that felt okay. The movie was a little upsetting the first time, though.
The characters on Firefly felt very real to me in a way TV characters often don't. It's funny how these things work because Whedon's characters, like RTD's characters, always feel a little cartoon-y to me (thought I like Whedon's better than Rusty's, on the whole). But you've certainly got a lot of company in your perception of them.
Like, a lot of shows get messy or lose track of themselves if they go on too long, and I guess Firefly ended in a place that felt okay. That's a good point. What we have works--in that way that British tv shows tend to have that have planned for a limited run. Admittedly, some shows have to "loose" themselves before they ever become good and maybe Firefly would have developed into something really amazing from there . . . but what we have does work by itself.
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Date: 29 Jan 2012 03:31 am (UTC)I think I would have liked to see how it developed, because basically I've liked each subsequent thing Whedon has done more than the previous (Dollhouse > Dr. Horrible > Firefly > Angel > Buffy). So I could see Firefly growing into something that I was more passionate about, given a chance. But as it is they really didn't have any time to come up with something that I would love.
What is it about Firefly, for you?
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Date: 29 Jan 2012 05:03 am (UTC)I don't know...I like all of it, I guess. The world-building, the clever dialogue and the humor, the characters, the themes. The characters most of all, probably.
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Date: 29 Jan 2012 05:47 am (UTC)I think I might see what you mean about the show seeming balanced--it always felt very complete to me, even with the plot threads that it left hanging. It would have been awesome to get more seasons, but I feel like it was very...tidy? Or unspoiled, somehow. Like, a lot of shows get messy or lose track of themselves if they go on too long, and I guess Firefly ended in a place that felt okay. The movie was a little upsetting the first time, though.
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Date: 29 Jan 2012 01:33 pm (UTC)It's funny how these things work because Whedon's characters, like RTD's characters, always feel a little cartoon-y to me (thought I like Whedon's better than Rusty's, on the whole). But you've certainly got a lot of company in your perception of them.
Like, a lot of shows get messy or lose track of themselves if they go on too long, and I guess Firefly ended in a place that felt okay.
That's a good point. What we have works--in that way that British tv shows tend to have that have planned for a limited run. Admittedly, some shows have to "loose" themselves before they ever become good and maybe Firefly would have developed into something really amazing from there . . . but what we have does work by itself.