I think you do tread that line! The parallels are still there, wherever they are leading. More importantly, your observations can be interpreted in different ways, depending on what the viewer's own theories are. It is good to hear that, thank you!
I mentioned how much I like the bits that link Clara to Gally/the Tardis, because my personal theories are headed in that sort of direction. I possibly hedged my bets there (and threw Elisi a bone, since she likes that one too). But I figure if I'm right, then she really is a little bit TARDIS (through River), if you're right then it fits perfectly, and if she's some other sort of Gallifreyan-flavored thing, then we've got the idea of timey-ness-but-not-necessarily-Time-Lord in there. Plus Idris did play that role of prophet for River's coming, so I'm perfectly happy to co-opt her to do the same for Clara!
Monks are NOT cool. Seriously - I would REALLY REALLY LOVE her to be his and River's granddaughter, but the random shoe-horned flirting in TBOSJ and the kiss at xmas disconcerted me somewhat. I know he has kissed both he parents-in-law, but this is slightly different. I probably have too many arguments at hand for why I'm basically ok with this, but really it comes down to thinking the collectively weight of four-plus years of accumulated symbolism has more weight than a little accidental incest squick. Strictly in-world, I feel like if the Doctor really did run into a descendant and neither of them had any idea . . . that is what would happen. Otherwise you have to start coming up with explanations for why the Doctor is suddenly not flirting with random strangers.
omg YES. That is a great line, that makes so much sense! All that 'I would tear time apart for you' stuff...River doesn't get it all from Kovarian, sweetie. I was interested to hear the thoughts behind this section - initially it made me think of the vid such_heights and I made in the mid-Season-6 hiatus, 'Howl', which was kind of all about that, and also about the weaponising effect the Doctor can have on his companions. But I like this positive spin on it better - the 'reconditioning' effect they have on him, the cauterising of the wound. Oh, I completely adore 'Howl,' and it was definitely on my mind when I was doing this section. It's probably still my favorite season six vid, and I remember how . . . fantastically cathartic it was when that first came out in the hiatus between AGMGTW and LKH. Like this explosion of all this stuff that had been eating at me. Season six was a bit rough . . . And I definitely appreciated that accusative edge to it, back then. But I've kind of come to love the Pond family trait? So I watch it a bit differently now, and I wanted this section of my vid to highlight this more positive (if still very dangerous) interpretation. But I totally use "Howl" as short-hand for this whole complex of ideas--both to myself and with other people. I'll say: "It's like Howl . . "
If you've never watched Jekyll, btw, I cannot recommend it enough. It's stunning and only six hours long, and it is like the . . . raw, dark, subconscious of Moffat's Who stripped of all the distractions and embellishments and civilizing layers (definitely not written for eight year olds) and laid out in dense, metaphorical glory. If you've ever had any doubts whether Moffat means all this symbolism stuff to be in there, Jekyll's pretty much proof that he absolutely does.
As in, we've seen Amy Pond's whole life, and her whole life in relation to the Doctor. Who/what is coming next? And as I said, I also liked the link to the theme of rebirth, which I associate with Clara. In my head, Clara literally popped out of Amy Pond's grave. Like flowers. So convenient, then, that Clara is always surrounded by flowers!
In conclusion: plz to be making more vids. =D Yay, thank you! Am already ; )
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Date: 24 Apr 2013 03:01 pm (UTC)It is good to hear that, thank you!
I mentioned how much I like the bits that link Clara to Gally/the Tardis, because my personal theories are headed in that sort of direction.
I possibly hedged my bets there (and threw Elisi a bone, since she likes that one too). But I figure if I'm right, then she really is a little bit TARDIS (through River), if you're right then it fits perfectly, and if she's some other sort of Gallifreyan-flavored thing, then we've got the idea of timey-ness-but-not-necessarily-Time-Lord in there. Plus Idris did play that role of prophet for River's coming, so I'm perfectly happy to co-opt her to do the same for Clara!
Monks are NOT cool. Seriously - I would REALLY REALLY LOVE her to be his and River's granddaughter, but the random shoe-horned flirting in TBOSJ and the kiss at xmas disconcerted me somewhat. I know he has kissed both he parents-in-law, but this is slightly different.
I probably have too many arguments at hand for why I'm basically ok with this, but really it comes down to thinking the collectively weight of four-plus years of accumulated symbolism has more weight than a little accidental incest squick. Strictly in-world, I feel like if the Doctor really did run into a descendant and neither of them had any idea . . . that is what would happen. Otherwise you have to start coming up with explanations for why the Doctor is suddenly not flirting with random strangers.
omg YES. That is a great line, that makes so much sense! All that 'I would tear time apart for you' stuff...River doesn't get it all from Kovarian, sweetie. I was interested to hear the thoughts behind this section - initially it made me think of the vid such_heights and I made in the mid-Season-6 hiatus, 'Howl', which was kind of all about that, and also about the weaponising effect the Doctor can have on his companions. But I like this positive spin on it better - the 'reconditioning' effect they have on him, the cauterising of the wound.
Oh, I completely adore 'Howl,' and it was definitely on my mind when I was doing this section. It's probably still my favorite season six vid, and I remember how . . . fantastically cathartic it was when that first came out in the hiatus between AGMGTW and LKH. Like this explosion of all this stuff that had been eating at me. Season six was a bit rough . . . And I definitely appreciated that accusative edge to it, back then. But I've kind of come to love the Pond family trait? So I watch it a bit differently now, and I wanted this section of my vid to highlight this more positive (if still very dangerous) interpretation. But I totally use "Howl" as short-hand for this whole complex of ideas--both to myself and with other people. I'll say: "It's like Howl . . "
If you've never watched Jekyll, btw, I cannot recommend it enough. It's stunning and only six hours long, and it is like the . . . raw, dark, subconscious of Moffat's Who stripped of all the distractions and embellishments and civilizing layers (definitely not written for eight year olds) and laid out in dense, metaphorical glory. If you've ever had any doubts whether Moffat means all this symbolism stuff to be in there, Jekyll's pretty much proof that he absolutely does.
As in, we've seen Amy Pond's whole life, and her whole life in relation to the Doctor. Who/what is coming next? And as I said, I also liked the link to the theme of rebirth, which I associate with Clara.
In my head, Clara literally popped out of Amy Pond's grave. Like flowers. So convenient, then, that Clara is always surrounded by flowers!
In conclusion: plz to be making more vids.
=D Yay, thank you! Am already ; )