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promethia_tenk) wrote2011-08-08 01:13 pm
promethia_tenk) wrote2011-08-08 01:13 pm
Entry tags:
- analysis,
- dr who,
- pimp,
- river song,
- vids
River Stuffs
1) Vid rec: Land's End by ![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
cherryice (River Song, awake in the waiting sea.) OMG, guys, go watch this now. It's . . . a River vid. I mean about River, about her life (and all the rest of their lives, too--I think especially Amy). Anyone struggling with the AGMGTW reveal, I think this might . . . actually . . . help? In a cathartic sense, cause it's not really a pretty picture. At any rate, it's amazing. Go watch many, many times!
2) Question: I've been meaning to ask for awhile, but it seemed very a propos to the vid above ('let the walls cave in'): if I were to write something up comparing River to Echo from Dollhouse, would that be of any interest to anyone but me? It would basically be about both women and their boxes (Echo and the Dollhouse/ River and the TARDIS, the astronaut suit, Stormcage, the Library computer, etc. . . .) and the complicated, push-pull, quasi-symbiotic relationships they have to them. Or is bringing up Dollhouse enough to put everybody off from the get-go?
3) Observation: Watched "The Pandorica Opens" last night for the first time since AGMGTW, and it struck me that that episode makes a lot more sense if you look at it as a systemic attack against River. I mean, obviously the Alliance believes it's all about the Doctor, but I think whoever is pulling the strings is actually after River in some way. Think about it: they locked her husband up in a box so he can't help her, had her father shoot her mother before her mother could even have her, and blew up the time machine that helped make her what she was, on the very date she was conceived. If you put the Doctor in the middle of everything, it doesn't fit together nearly as well, particularly Rory shooting Amy, which always seemed a bit random and 'what was the point in that?' The interesting thing is, though, that if Person Pulling the Strings really was after River, I'm not sure that they were trying to wipe her out so much as unmoor her. If this person knows enough about the TARDIS to be able to remotely control it and cause it to explode, probably they would realize that it would also preserve River inside as she is, even while all the foundations of her life, everything that helped create her, is being destroyed? It's like they wanted River without her context.
cherryice (River Song, awake in the waiting sea.) OMG, guys, go watch this now. It's . . . a River vid. I mean about River, about her life (and all the rest of their lives, too--I think especially Amy). Anyone struggling with the AGMGTW reveal, I think this might . . . actually . . . help? In a cathartic sense, cause it's not really a pretty picture. At any rate, it's amazing. Go watch many, many times!2) Question: I've been meaning to ask for awhile, but it seemed very a propos to the vid above ('let the walls cave in'): if I were to write something up comparing River to Echo from Dollhouse, would that be of any interest to anyone but me? It would basically be about both women and their boxes (Echo and the Dollhouse/ River and the TARDIS, the astronaut suit, Stormcage, the Library computer, etc. . . .) and the complicated, push-pull, quasi-symbiotic relationships they have to them. Or is bringing up Dollhouse enough to put everybody off from the get-go?
3) Observation: Watched "The Pandorica Opens" last night for the first time since AGMGTW, and it struck me that that episode makes a lot more sense if you look at it as a systemic attack against River. I mean, obviously the Alliance believes it's all about the Doctor, but I think whoever is pulling the strings is actually after River in some way. Think about it: they locked her husband up in a box so he can't help her, had her father shoot her mother before her mother could even have her, and blew up the time machine that helped make her what she was, on the very date she was conceived. If you put the Doctor in the middle of everything, it doesn't fit together nearly as well, particularly Rory shooting Amy, which always seemed a bit random and 'what was the point in that?' The interesting thing is, though, that if Person Pulling the Strings really was after River, I'm not sure that they were trying to wipe her out so much as unmoor her. If this person knows enough about the TARDIS to be able to remotely control it and cause it to explode, probably they would realize that it would also preserve River inside as she is, even while all the foundations of her life, everything that helped create her, is being destroyed? It's like they wanted River without her context.
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Very interesting point about "The Pandorica Opens." If you're right that the goal is not to destroy River, but to do something with her once she's been isolated, then it seems to me that whoever's behind it must have been based or able to take refuge outside the universe (since, aside from River and the TARDIS locked in an eternal moment, everything in the universe was being destroyed). Handily, we have "The Doctor's Wife" to show us that travel outside the universe is possible... also, I wonder whether parallel universes such as Pete's World were affected by the explosion.
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I was pretty unimpressed with all the "it's OMEGA!" speculation that went through fandom before TPO/TBB, but awhile back I read a review of AGMGTW that actually tied it in with River and had Omega pulling the strings from outside the universe to create this Time Lord Eve and restart the species, and that . . . that almost started to make sense. I've got some problems with how convenient and easy River's creation seems.
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I found the review, though, if you're interested (no pressure). I don't know if I agree with all of it, but it definitely gets the thinky-thoughts going!
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But I got tired real fast of Who fans' rush to see every new development as a return of [Classic series character or element X].
*nods* I think that desire is pretty prevalent in fandoms with a long history and lots of canon; I used to see it all the time in Power Rangers. Of course it's possible to bring back old elements and do it well, but I also think it can be limiting, as it means passing up opportunities for the story to grow in new directions. I'm really glad, for example, that River is her own person and not, e.g., a regeneration of Romana.