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promethia_tenkHead has been entirely too full of theories and spec lately (anybody else really looking forward to the hiatus?), so here's a few strands of possibly related, possibly unrelated theories that I've had floating around and needed to write down so as to get them out and see how crazy they sound. All of the "things are never quite what they seem" variety.
Spoilers for all aired episodes.
First off, I'm thinking about all of this in the context of my argument that Time Girl who regenerated in DotM is the Doctor and River's child. Barring that, I'm pretty sure Time Girl and Amy's baby are not the same person, so all of this assumes that we are dealing with two separate children.
After my initial post on the topic, I came up with a pet theory on how Time Girl might have been separated from the Doctor and River, which also might account for why River's timeline seems so screwed up this season and why whoever kidnapped Amy is interested in her baby. Reproduced from here:
We have some indication from the show that we're dealing in alternate timelines/universes. Say that in the timeline that's "supposed" to happen the Doctor lives to see many more regenerations, the Doctor and River's timeline is long and properly timey-wimey as suggested in previous seasons, and they have a child together sometime in both their personal futures relative to TIA/DotM. But then at the beginning of this season . . . we see Eleven die! What effects does this have? Well, it royally screws up River's timeline for one thing, since now she only has Ten and Eleven to know, leaving her whole story short and tragic and much more linear than we previously thought. And if 1103-year-old Eleven died before they had that kid, then the future!Doctor and future!River who are Time Girl's parents effectively cease to exist. So what happens to Time Girl? Maybe she ceases to exist too, but it's also possible that she could be left behind in this altered timeline as an anomaly (this happened to Team TARDIS in The Big Bang--they were all products of the universe with stars, left behind in the universe without stars, even though the events that formed their history had no longer happened). This would mean that Time Girl wasn't stolen from her parents--which, elisi rightly points out, is hard to believe they would allow to happen--but got unknowingly orphaned, much as Amy was when her parents were eaten by the crack. And, just as with Amy perhaps, fixing the universe means giving a little girl her parents back.
The rules for what disappears when a person disappears from time seem a bit vague, but it seems like most evidence of them vanishes with the possible exception of little traces the universe forgot about. So if you had some cache of family photos, it seems quite likely to me that all the ones with mom and dad in them might disappear, leaving just the ones with Time Girl alone, plus a stray picture of an old family friend with her own baby . . . all ready for a bunch of opportunistic aliens to pick through when they find this miracle child and take her away for whatever it is they're trying to do with her. And then what if, looking at the available evidence, they get entirely the wrong idea about who mom is and decide to track her down and kidnap her in the hopes of getting more of the same from her? (The question of "why are they so interested in Amy?" has been bugging be something fierce lately.)
^^^^I came up with the above before we had the revelation about Amy's kidnapping, so I could also see how Time Girl might have been stolen in a similar manner, but I'm not sure if it must be that way . . .
The following thoughts I've been musing over partly in response to this post by![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
bendingwind :
--We've been lead to believe this season is all about the Silence, but is it possible that whoever is behind Amy's kidnapping is a different force entirely, possibly one in opposition to the Silence? It would explain the two conflicting meanings we have going on of "Silence will fall." Is that a good or a bad thing, from the perspective of the Silence? And is it possible that whoever was behind the Alliance, the Pandorica, and the exploding TARDIS last season was not the Silence, but someone trying to defeat them? The voice in the TARDIS didn't sound like the Silents we heard in TIA/DotM. If we did have that scale of conflict going on, it could be something like a replay of the Time War and the willingness of the Time Lords to end the universe in order to gain the upper hand.
--If the above is true, is what we're seeing with Time Girl and Amy and Amy's baby something like an arms race? I'd been thinking about how the situation around Time Girl seemed very different from what was going on with Amy. The set up in 1969 with the Silence and the astronaut suit seemed very low-rent and cobbled together, whereas whoever took Amy seems much more polished and high-tech and (based on the prequel) from the 51st century. Possibly we are seeing the evolution of the Silence's attempts to engineer Time Babies? But if we're actually dealing with two opposing forces, that too might explain the differing technologies and circumstances. It's a bit unclear whether the Silence have time travel abilities of their own--they do have those proto-TARDISes.
--This could explain some apparent inconsistencies with what's going on with Amy. We don't quite know when whoever kidnapped Amy and replaced her with a ganger did so, but my money's on it happening in the warehouse, during that weird, disjointed series of flashbacks we got. Before that Amy believed she was pregnant and after that she didn't anymore. And the first time she saw eyepatch lady was after the warehouse but before she was kidnapped by the Silence. If the Silence were the ones who replaced her with a ganger, why kidnap her *again* from the orphanage? Of course, we still don't know why the Silence kidnapped Amy at all--apparently so they could keep her tied to a chair and make vague allusions about the future. Possibly whoever kidnapped Amy tried to steal Time Girl from the Silence first, failed but found Time Girl's room, and got the same idea Amy did from the photos so they just decided to nab mom instead and produce another Time Girl of their own?
--There's also weird inconsistencies going on with Time Girl here. She claims that she's scared of the spaceman--that he's going to eat her--and everyone assumes she means the astronaut. But in order to make those calls, she needed to be in the astronaut suit already. So who is this spaceman, then? Maybe the people who kidnapped Amy? Or, possibly, the Doctor has been described as "spaceman" in the past, and Moff has been known to play with protective parent/threatening parent ideas before ("eat your children" is a phrase that comes up in Jekyll, also the threat of the space shark in ACC is of being eaten--River is symbolized in ACC by both Abigail and the space shark). Interesting that both times that Time Girl asks for help it is with Amy there (who she might recognize from the photo?), but when the Doc, River, Rory, and Canton show up she hides from them. Who is she scared of? Who is she running from?
--Lastly, is it perhaps even possible that the Silence's intentions with Time Girl are benign? They find this girl, realize she's something special, possibly something whoever kidnapped Amy would want to get their hands on, and hide her away? It does look like they tried to give her some of the comforts of childhood--gave her toys, photos and decorations, a human guardian (note the bowtie). Could the spacesuit be an attempt to give her a means to defend herself so that she doesn't have to stay in a little fortress room all the time?
Ok, think my head's a bit clearer now . . .
Spoilers for all aired episodes.
First off, I'm thinking about all of this in the context of my argument that Time Girl who regenerated in DotM is the Doctor and River's child. Barring that, I'm pretty sure Time Girl and Amy's baby are not the same person, so all of this assumes that we are dealing with two separate children.
After my initial post on the topic, I came up with a pet theory on how Time Girl might have been separated from the Doctor and River, which also might account for why River's timeline seems so screwed up this season and why whoever kidnapped Amy is interested in her baby. Reproduced from here:
We have some indication from the show that we're dealing in alternate timelines/universes. Say that in the timeline that's "supposed" to happen the Doctor lives to see many more regenerations, the Doctor and River's timeline is long and properly timey-wimey as suggested in previous seasons, and they have a child together sometime in both their personal futures relative to TIA/DotM. But then at the beginning of this season . . . we see Eleven die! What effects does this have? Well, it royally screws up River's timeline for one thing, since now she only has Ten and Eleven to know, leaving her whole story short and tragic and much more linear than we previously thought. And if 1103-year-old Eleven died before they had that kid, then the future!Doctor and future!River who are Time Girl's parents effectively cease to exist. So what happens to Time Girl? Maybe she ceases to exist too, but it's also possible that she could be left behind in this altered timeline as an anomaly (this happened to Team TARDIS in The Big Bang--they were all products of the universe with stars, left behind in the universe without stars, even though the events that formed their history had no longer happened). This would mean that Time Girl wasn't stolen from her parents--which, elisi rightly points out, is hard to believe they would allow to happen--but got unknowingly orphaned, much as Amy was when her parents were eaten by the crack. And, just as with Amy perhaps, fixing the universe means giving a little girl her parents back.
The rules for what disappears when a person disappears from time seem a bit vague, but it seems like most evidence of them vanishes with the possible exception of little traces the universe forgot about. So if you had some cache of family photos, it seems quite likely to me that all the ones with mom and dad in them might disappear, leaving just the ones with Time Girl alone, plus a stray picture of an old family friend with her own baby . . . all ready for a bunch of opportunistic aliens to pick through when they find this miracle child and take her away for whatever it is they're trying to do with her. And then what if, looking at the available evidence, they get entirely the wrong idea about who mom is and decide to track her down and kidnap her in the hopes of getting more of the same from her? (The question of "why are they so interested in Amy?" has been bugging be something fierce lately.)
^^^^I came up with the above before we had the revelation about Amy's kidnapping, so I could also see how Time Girl might have been stolen in a similar manner, but I'm not sure if it must be that way . . .
The following thoughts I've been musing over partly in response to this post by
bendingwind :--We've been lead to believe this season is all about the Silence, but is it possible that whoever is behind Amy's kidnapping is a different force entirely, possibly one in opposition to the Silence? It would explain the two conflicting meanings we have going on of "Silence will fall." Is that a good or a bad thing, from the perspective of the Silence? And is it possible that whoever was behind the Alliance, the Pandorica, and the exploding TARDIS last season was not the Silence, but someone trying to defeat them? The voice in the TARDIS didn't sound like the Silents we heard in TIA/DotM. If we did have that scale of conflict going on, it could be something like a replay of the Time War and the willingness of the Time Lords to end the universe in order to gain the upper hand.
--If the above is true, is what we're seeing with Time Girl and Amy and Amy's baby something like an arms race? I'd been thinking about how the situation around Time Girl seemed very different from what was going on with Amy. The set up in 1969 with the Silence and the astronaut suit seemed very low-rent and cobbled together, whereas whoever took Amy seems much more polished and high-tech and (based on the prequel) from the 51st century. Possibly we are seeing the evolution of the Silence's attempts to engineer Time Babies? But if we're actually dealing with two opposing forces, that too might explain the differing technologies and circumstances. It's a bit unclear whether the Silence have time travel abilities of their own--they do have those proto-TARDISes.
--This could explain some apparent inconsistencies with what's going on with Amy. We don't quite know when whoever kidnapped Amy and replaced her with a ganger did so, but my money's on it happening in the warehouse, during that weird, disjointed series of flashbacks we got. Before that Amy believed she was pregnant and after that she didn't anymore. And the first time she saw eyepatch lady was after the warehouse but before she was kidnapped by the Silence. If the Silence were the ones who replaced her with a ganger, why kidnap her *again* from the orphanage? Of course, we still don't know why the Silence kidnapped Amy at all--apparently so they could keep her tied to a chair and make vague allusions about the future. Possibly whoever kidnapped Amy tried to steal Time Girl from the Silence first, failed but found Time Girl's room, and got the same idea Amy did from the photos so they just decided to nab mom instead and produce another Time Girl of their own?
--There's also weird inconsistencies going on with Time Girl here. She claims that she's scared of the spaceman--that he's going to eat her--and everyone assumes she means the astronaut. But in order to make those calls, she needed to be in the astronaut suit already. So who is this spaceman, then? Maybe the people who kidnapped Amy? Or, possibly, the Doctor has been described as "spaceman" in the past, and Moff has been known to play with protective parent/threatening parent ideas before ("eat your children" is a phrase that comes up in Jekyll, also the threat of the space shark in ACC is of being eaten--River is symbolized in ACC by both Abigail and the space shark). Interesting that both times that Time Girl asks for help it is with Amy there (who she might recognize from the photo?), but when the Doc, River, Rory, and Canton show up she hides from them. Who is she scared of? Who is she running from?
--Lastly, is it perhaps even possible that the Silence's intentions with Time Girl are benign? They find this girl, realize she's something special, possibly something whoever kidnapped Amy would want to get their hands on, and hide her away? It does look like they tried to give her some of the comforts of childhood--gave her toys, photos and decorations, a human guardian (note the bowtie). Could the spacesuit be an attempt to give her a means to defend herself so that she doesn't have to stay in a little fortress room all the time?
Ok, think my head's a bit clearer now . . .
