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promethia_tenk) wrote2011-11-16 03:18 pm
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Fear is the Mind-Killer
Hello, flist! Long time, no see. In answer to your questions: yes, I have been avoiding you. Have also been avoiding Doctor Who and watching Fringe at a frankly unhealthy rate (Mini rxn: Fringe! <3 <3 <3). I have lots of lovely posts queued up for reading, though, and shall be trying to catch up with you all as soon as possible.
I'm back, though, because I have finally had a eureka moment on a question that's been eating at me ever since Let's Kill Hitler: What the frak did they do to Melody? And I know I'm not the only one who had a hard time seeing any River in Mels or who was dissatisfied with Moffat slapping a "psychopath" label on her and counting that as explanation enough. So here's my theory:
Basically, it's all about fear: I think the essence of what the Silence did to her is to make her terrified of the Doctor (He's gonna get me! Gonna eat me!) and leave her with no tools for recognizing it or expressing it or addressing it but to kill him. The sort of omnipresent fear that shadows everything else, clouds judgment, makes every moment about trying to manage the fear, somehow . . . So, the end of LKH wasn't about letting go of anger, or a vendetta of some sort, but about facing a fear, which is why the turn-around seems so sudden. And fear, not hatred, is a catalyst for love (chemically, this is true: falling in love involves massive quantities of anxiety hormones--hence the butterflies. Also where Stockholm Syndrome comes from).
I think it's basically an Occam's Razor kind of thing. They didn't have to make a psychopath--they just had to make her irrationally afraid of the Doctor. It's like what they talk about in Inception: to plant an idea in someone's head and make them accept it as their own, you have to reduce that idea to its simplest emotional form and let them build it themselves from there. Why does she want to kill the Doctor? Because she's afraid of him (The Silence may be the stuff of nightmares, but young Melody didn't actually run away until the Doctor showed up . . .). They plant the fear . . . they use the Silence to do it . . . which means she can't remember why she's afraid of him . . . which is like a perpetual motion machine for crazy. And from there she'll pretty much do all the work for them: learn everything she can about him, soak up any skill that might help her neutralize him, think about him all the time because she doesn't know why she's afraid of him and doesn't know how to stop it. She can't feel anything else because she's afraid all the time, but she can't be afraid because she doesn't have a reason to be afraid . . . so she won't be afraid. She'll test herself against every scary, dangerous thing she can find to prove to herself that she's not afraid. She'll come up with flimsy alternate excuses for everything she does (psychopath?) because she's certainly not motivated in everything by fear. She'll go over everything about it over and over to try to come to grips with it. She'll basically tear herself apart at the seams trying to cope with a fear that she can't feel because it doesn't have a reason.
But then, as they also point out in Inception, negative emotions are less potent and less durable than positive ones. And fear is not so different from falling in love. So how do you "trick" programming like that? Love is a more stable, more desirable state than perpetual fear. And of course she fell in love too quickly. What holds people back from falling in love? Ultimately, it's fear. And she'd already spent her whole life afraid.
I think this explanation also makes more sense of how quickly she seems to recover all her normal faculties as River than if you assume she had much more involved brainwashing: once she faces her fear, all the parts of her that had been misdirected trying fruitlessly to manage that fear would be freed up to do what they were meant to.
ETA: All y'all should probably go read
kaffyr's lovely meta River Song is Not a Psychopath, which I would say helped get my head moving on this.
I'm back, though, because I have finally had a eureka moment on a question that's been eating at me ever since Let's Kill Hitler: What the frak did they do to Melody? And I know I'm not the only one who had a hard time seeing any River in Mels or who was dissatisfied with Moffat slapping a "psychopath" label on her and counting that as explanation enough. So here's my theory:
Basically, it's all about fear: I think the essence of what the Silence did to her is to make her terrified of the Doctor (He's gonna get me! Gonna eat me!) and leave her with no tools for recognizing it or expressing it or addressing it but to kill him. The sort of omnipresent fear that shadows everything else, clouds judgment, makes every moment about trying to manage the fear, somehow . . . So, the end of LKH wasn't about letting go of anger, or a vendetta of some sort, but about facing a fear, which is why the turn-around seems so sudden. And fear, not hatred, is a catalyst for love (chemically, this is true: falling in love involves massive quantities of anxiety hormones--hence the butterflies. Also where Stockholm Syndrome comes from).
I think it's basically an Occam's Razor kind of thing. They didn't have to make a psychopath--they just had to make her irrationally afraid of the Doctor. It's like what they talk about in Inception: to plant an idea in someone's head and make them accept it as their own, you have to reduce that idea to its simplest emotional form and let them build it themselves from there. Why does she want to kill the Doctor? Because she's afraid of him (The Silence may be the stuff of nightmares, but young Melody didn't actually run away until the Doctor showed up . . .). They plant the fear . . . they use the Silence to do it . . . which means she can't remember why she's afraid of him . . . which is like a perpetual motion machine for crazy. And from there she'll pretty much do all the work for them: learn everything she can about him, soak up any skill that might help her neutralize him, think about him all the time because she doesn't know why she's afraid of him and doesn't know how to stop it. She can't feel anything else because she's afraid all the time, but she can't be afraid because she doesn't have a reason to be afraid . . . so she won't be afraid. She'll test herself against every scary, dangerous thing she can find to prove to herself that she's not afraid. She'll come up with flimsy alternate excuses for everything she does (psychopath?) because she's certainly not motivated in everything by fear. She'll go over everything about it over and over to try to come to grips with it. She'll basically tear herself apart at the seams trying to cope with a fear that she can't feel because it doesn't have a reason.
But then, as they also point out in Inception, negative emotions are less potent and less durable than positive ones. And fear is not so different from falling in love. So how do you "trick" programming like that? Love is a more stable, more desirable state than perpetual fear. And of course she fell in love too quickly. What holds people back from falling in love? Ultimately, it's fear. And she'd already spent her whole life afraid.
I think this explanation also makes more sense of how quickly she seems to recover all her normal faculties as River than if you assume she had much more involved brainwashing: once she faces her fear, all the parts of her that had been misdirected trying fruitlessly to manage that fear would be freed up to do what they were meant to.
ETA: All y'all should probably go read
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Also, this ties in beautifully with the whole thing that she sees him as just a man, that she is from then on the person to drag him off any cloud he might like to sit on, and nothing he can do will frighten her (and vice versa). (I'd ramble some more, but you know it all, and I'm half-asleep now...)
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I like what you say about the connection between the experience of fear and the experience of love, the similarity between the anxiety associated with them. My personal philosophy is that fear is the opposite of love, and that all negative emotions have that at their fundamental root. so i totally buy the idea that all they needed to do was instil her with a deep deep fear of him, and let everything spiral from there. Also, Moffat plays so much with dualities that it makes sense to me to see it that way - fear/love.
And you're right - what is more scary than fear itself? It feeds on itself, especially when ignored, leading to the type of extreme behaviour - all the behaviours we see her displaying in LKH because she can never ever admit she's terrified.
And when she goes through that gateway, faces her fear then releases it, love is on the other side. And that's where she acts from there onwards. She has utterly no fear of death as we see from future River, it's her love for him that lets her stand in his place and Ascend in the library.
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I think sometimes people forget that the best "programming" is either fear- or love-based, because it's simple and efficient (so many times we make the mistake of thinking that brainwashing and programming has to be some variegated multifaceted sophisticated thing when it not only doesn't have to be that way, but probably never ever was that way.) Mental torturers (which is exactly what any brainwasher is) are like physical torturers: brutal and to the point. We make the mistake of believing all the crap in Bond movies and Batman comics; that such people want to go for indirect showiness. Nope. As my Best Beloved just said, "I don't really think there are a lot of Manchurian Candidates out there."
Also, I nodded when I saw the title: "Fear is the Mind Killer," which took me right back to the first time I read Dune and the scene in which Paul has to deal with the gom jabbar. Fear is the mind killer, as you so cogently point out. You can be so afraid of something, so frightened of something that the fear itself becomes a creature of which you're afraid. Not for nothing did Franklin Delano Roosevelt say "the only thing we have to fear, is fear itself."
(And I am happily gobsmacked if my ramblings were of help to you.)
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I too think Amy's role is sketchier, and takes diving a bit deeper into the monster metaphors. In TIA, she's devastated the Doctor has died. Then, seeing him alive, her love and fear become sundered. She wants to kill the Apollo to save her Doctor.
And the Apollo is her daughter. So deep down, Amy, the Rememberer, has some antipathy towards River. She shot at her at the end of TIA. And then, and *then*, the AmyBot (spelled out as a metaphor) tortures River, River the Doctor-killer -- and as AmyBot she's completely lacking in emotion, absent of love *and* fear. So while she puts on a good face at the beginning for seeking out her daughter, when it's all spelled out there has to be some horrible conflicts wedged in her soul.
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This is a very interesting post and I shall go away and assilimate it and ponder it and work these thoughts into the fic I am writing to help myself deal with LKH.
*wanders off to read the recced meta post*
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The one thing that annoyed me about LKH and TWORS was how quickly River seemed to love him, but this explains that beautifully :D
So thank you :D
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That is a very interesting and sensible theory re: River. I am still edgy about what they did this season, but I am nonetheless looking forward to the Christmas special. :D
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Many times these hurt children really believe that if they do things your way by obeying you they will die. They don't think that doing things your way is what will keep them safe. They learned this in those first few years of life when they learned they had to depend on themselves. Bringing them into your home will not change this belief about all adults – including you."
It didn't help that her own mother shot at her. :/
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You’ve explained all the things I didn’t really care for about the arc, even the pacing in LKH, and you’ve done it brilliantly.
once she faces her fear, all the parts of her that had been misdirected trying fruitlessly to manage that fear would be freed up to do what they were meant to.
I’m seeing Melody completely differently now.
(Also: thank you for easing the can’t-put-my-finger-on-it there’s-something-more-to-this feeling I’ve had re: Melody and the Spaceman.)
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In fact, one of the things that attracts me to Doctor Who is the scary wondrousness of trusting onesself to a person who is mysterious and unknowable and sometimes spooky and on occassion as scary as all hell—while still being deeply and truly good. I like Moffat's Who on a level below analysis, and I think part of it is that he keeps reaffirming that trust can be beautiful, that you can trust the alien, whether the alien is the Doctor or the Star Whale or your own child. There are amazing landscapes, there's love and friendship and excitement, beyond that leap of faith. That's a good message for a fairy tale, every bit as good as the traditional, Of course there are monsters. But monsters can be beaten.
This theory also might well explain why River seems so totally fearless in the face of danger; she got so used to fear when she was young that she can utterly dismiss it as meaningless background noise.
(Oh, and n+1 on the idea that "Let's Kill Hitler" needed to be a two-parter. People will hate me for this opinion, but part of me thinks that losing Confidential might be good for Moffat as a writer, because he'll have to stuff everything he wants to say into the show proper or else leave it out. Not that that's a consolation for fans who've lost the show, of course.)
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