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promethia_tenk) wrote2011-08-08 01:13 pm
promethia_tenk) wrote2011-08-08 01:13 pm
Entry tags:
- analysis,
- dr who,
- pimp,
- river song,
- vids
River Stuffs
1) Vid rec: Land's End by ![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
cherryice (River Song, awake in the waiting sea.) OMG, guys, go watch this now. It's . . . a River vid. I mean about River, about her life (and all the rest of their lives, too--I think especially Amy). Anyone struggling with the AGMGTW reveal, I think this might . . . actually . . . help? In a cathartic sense, cause it's not really a pretty picture. At any rate, it's amazing. Go watch many, many times!
2) Question: I've been meaning to ask for awhile, but it seemed very a propos to the vid above ('let the walls cave in'): if I were to write something up comparing River to Echo from Dollhouse, would that be of any interest to anyone but me? It would basically be about both women and their boxes (Echo and the Dollhouse/ River and the TARDIS, the astronaut suit, Stormcage, the Library computer, etc. . . .) and the complicated, push-pull, quasi-symbiotic relationships they have to them. Or is bringing up Dollhouse enough to put everybody off from the get-go?
3) Observation: Watched "The Pandorica Opens" last night for the first time since AGMGTW, and it struck me that that episode makes a lot more sense if you look at it as a systemic attack against River. I mean, obviously the Alliance believes it's all about the Doctor, but I think whoever is pulling the strings is actually after River in some way. Think about it: they locked her husband up in a box so he can't help her, had her father shoot her mother before her mother could even have her, and blew up the time machine that helped make her what she was, on the very date she was conceived. If you put the Doctor in the middle of everything, it doesn't fit together nearly as well, particularly Rory shooting Amy, which always seemed a bit random and 'what was the point in that?' The interesting thing is, though, that if Person Pulling the Strings really was after River, I'm not sure that they were trying to wipe her out so much as unmoor her. If this person knows enough about the TARDIS to be able to remotely control it and cause it to explode, probably they would realize that it would also preserve River inside as she is, even while all the foundations of her life, everything that helped create her, is being destroyed? It's like they wanted River without her context.
cherryice (River Song, awake in the waiting sea.) OMG, guys, go watch this now. It's . . . a River vid. I mean about River, about her life (and all the rest of their lives, too--I think especially Amy). Anyone struggling with the AGMGTW reveal, I think this might . . . actually . . . help? In a cathartic sense, cause it's not really a pretty picture. At any rate, it's amazing. Go watch many, many times!2) Question: I've been meaning to ask for awhile, but it seemed very a propos to the vid above ('let the walls cave in'): if I were to write something up comparing River to Echo from Dollhouse, would that be of any interest to anyone but me? It would basically be about both women and their boxes (Echo and the Dollhouse/ River and the TARDIS, the astronaut suit, Stormcage, the Library computer, etc. . . .) and the complicated, push-pull, quasi-symbiotic relationships they have to them. Or is bringing up Dollhouse enough to put everybody off from the get-go?
3) Observation: Watched "The Pandorica Opens" last night for the first time since AGMGTW, and it struck me that that episode makes a lot more sense if you look at it as a systemic attack against River. I mean, obviously the Alliance believes it's all about the Doctor, but I think whoever is pulling the strings is actually after River in some way. Think about it: they locked her husband up in a box so he can't help her, had her father shoot her mother before her mother could even have her, and blew up the time machine that helped make her what she was, on the very date she was conceived. If you put the Doctor in the middle of everything, it doesn't fit together nearly as well, particularly Rory shooting Amy, which always seemed a bit random and 'what was the point in that?' The interesting thing is, though, that if Person Pulling the Strings really was after River, I'm not sure that they were trying to wipe her out so much as unmoor her. If this person knows enough about the TARDIS to be able to remotely control it and cause it to explode, probably they would realize that it would also preserve River inside as she is, even while all the foundations of her life, everything that helped create her, is being destroyed? It's like they wanted River without her context.
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As for the Dollhouse/DW meta, I would be interested if it weren't that I've never seen Dollhouse....I'd still sort of like to see the River side of it, even if the Dollhouse bits would mostly be lost on me.
Ooh, that's an interesting observation! That actually does make the episode make more sense, and it would tie this season and S5 together nicely.
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Right? You're very welcome!
I'd still sort of like to see the River side of it, even if the Dollhouse bits would mostly be lost on me.
I think you'd probably be able to follow what I would want to say about Dollhouse pretty easily, even if you haven't seen it. It would be totally spoiler-y, though, for anyone planning to watch it at some point. And then it's a challenging show-- a lot of people found it too off-putting to watch or had major problems with its premise and how that was explored (programmable people, available to order for various engagements).
Ooh, that's an interesting observation! That actually does make the episode make more sense, and it would tie this season and S5 together nicely.
Thank you! Why the Nestenes would have Rory shoot Amy, in particular, always bugged me. I mean, it's very interesting for their characters, so I guess you could accept a hand-wave-y "they're bad guys so they shot her" explanation, but I do generally expect more from Moff.
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I have some level of fandom-osmosis knowledge of the show, and there's always Wikipedia if I needed to understand specific things. I'm not worried about spoilers--I almost always spoil myself in the process of trying to decide if I would like a show or not, so they don't bother me all that much.
As to Rory shooting Amy, I don't think I actually ever wondered why it happened, but now that you mention it, it is a bit odd without context.
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Heh. This is me too. But some folks are a lot more picky!